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 | The old hi hat is infinitely better! Комментарий от : @BillyPonzioJazz |
 | What bass drum/kit is that? Комментарий от : @alexmagor |
| Now I want some vintage cymbals! The new ones seems darker/muffled by comparison. Комментарий от : @alexmagor |
 | Avidas??? Комментарий от : @arrowintheknee9956 |
 | Both sets sound tremendous. Still prefer the vintage ones, especially the 50's hats. I have a 15" featherweight pair from that era and they are the closest ive heard to the Agop 30th Anniversary hats. Комментарий от : @user-fh5cm5kq7f |
 | My setup : hh A avedis (new); 18" avedis( old); 19" A avedis(new); 22" avedis (old) .... Beautiful sound !!! Комментарий от : @rogerferronato6876 |
 | I know John Riley is getting paid for this video, and the cymbals are very good, but he is realy just sucking up to Zildjian. Paul displays his knowledge and then John confirms it in an awful commercial way. When he he plays I believe him all the way, when he speaks about this product I tend to doubt him Комментарий от : @rowintettero1255 |
 | Vintage, hands down..But the new ones are very nice as well. Комментарий от : @rhythmista7707 |
 | Vintage! Комментарий от : @jimilove7773 |
 | I wonder what the oldest surviving Zildjian on earth is… like the company is 400 and cymbals are metal chunks. We got any 400 year old examples?!? Комментарий от : @RyanAlexanderBloom |
 | I had a 1955 22 inche Zildjian, and my my hi-hat we're 14s. At that time, I'm happy to say that Zildjian was it! Whatever else that was out there never came close to the sound of my Zildjians. If I were to be asked by a young man starting out to play drums what cymbals should he purchase I definitely would steer him to Zildjian. BTW the drums I played on were a set of Ludwig. Just an 82 year old finger and hand taper today. Комментарий от : @jetseat |
 | 100% the vintage. Not even close in my opinion. Much nicer overtones and richness to the cymbals - divine 👌 Комментарий от : @kongoff |
 | anyone know the the sizes are? Комментарий от : @joshuanelson627 |
 | Too bad zildjian doesn't just make these great cymbals only, like they used to, and charge a fair price, instead of all the crap they make now, and charge $$$ like they're great. They've definitely become elitist play things for the very well to do. GREED !!! Комментарий от : @googlepigs7027 |
 | I think the modern Avedis sounds better. They are lower in pitch with a little less overtones so a smoother sound. They are buttery smooth and pleasing. Комментарий от : @iRideuWatch |
 | I could listen to Paul and John talk about and play cymbals all day long! Thank you for making these great video's! Комментарий от : @robertwallace7213 |
 | The new issue 'Avedis' cymbals sound remarkably close to their 'vintage' counterparts. Kudos to Zildjian for capturing that 'vintage A' sound and feel. One thing I have found with Zildjian cast cymbals (and this may just be my imagination); they seem to 'age in' well and get better with age. I have a Zildjian 'A' 14" thin crash that sounded very bright when I bought it in 1995: it's now just beginning to get a nice balanced timbre and one of my go-to crashes. Комментарий от : @thomasmoje5926 |
 | First of all, what do they mean by ‘vintage’? I hear them both say ‘50 years old’ and ‘40 years old’...does that mean they’re going for that classic 80s ride sound that everyone’s looking for? Or are they dodging by being totally non-specific? Secondly, they keep fixating on cup size, shape, bow, lathing, and ‘hammering’; the easiest elements to copy when counterfeiting an original. You can take piece of vinyl and duplicate those superficial qualities perfectly. That fake patina gimmick creeped me out big time. And of course they sound like what they are: horrible facsimiles made with cheap materials and very expensive CNC machines. Great vintage A’s are going for so cheap these days that there is no incentive to buy these things anyway. Комментарий от : @longfade |
 | Those vintage ones sound amazing, but most vintage A's for sale sound like crap. If you do manage to find great sounding cymbals like these, you'll really be paying for it. Better off buying the new ones. Комментарий от : @johnnybgoode2333 |
 | vintage killed modern. Комментарий от : @franoputica7448 |
 | I own vintage Zildjian cymbals entirely for the fact they are about two to three hundred dollars cheaper than new Zildjians and they sound the same if not better Комментарий от : @CommanderNewton |
 | After playing them for a few years now: they are GREAT crash cymbals. Not so good for main rides. Not dry enough, not enough articulation, not enough even distribution of overtones Комментарий от : @jonnyMcSee |
 | Some great historical info here form Paul Francis. John Riley keeps saying if Avedis logo wasn't on cymbal I could be convinced this is a 40 or 50 year old cymbal. Well, 2019 - 50 = 1969. I think John meant to say more like 60 to 70 year old cymbal (1949 -59). Time does fly by. Though IMHO there's nothing like the original old 1950's A's. Комментарий от : @ruffdrag |
 | I bought a full set and sold them soon after, just didn’t Iike them. Комментарий от : @goneaway8759 |
 | As my grandma loved to said: "there used to be times ..." Комментарий от : @AlexanderSeleznov |
 | Chad Smith was playing on some of these on FB during this crazy isolation. He was playing pretty hard on a vintage kit, and I was mad at first because I thought they were vintage cymbals, until I saw the logo, then I wasn't as mad after. Комментарий от : @sgtpepper1138 |
 | The Avedis cymbals are higher pitched which make a comparison harder. The original A's are the gold standard - sound and response, especially the two rides on the right hand side. I think the Avedis series are fine for contemporary drummers to be able to get some of the vintage characteristics by buying the off the shelf, instead of searching for original A's. And they may have more appeal to the "modern drummer's ear". But for guys like me who were playing during the original era, it was great to here the A's and would look for them instead. Комментарий от : @joevetrano3902 |
 | Every famous drummer: “Saved up money from my paper route.” Uh huh. Right. Комментарий от : @jsstroup81 |
 | I've been running away from these kind A Zildjian sounds since the early 80's. And listening them now again with good headphones, I can't say that I like what I hear. Too high pitched wash under a fragile stick sound and strange bell-like overtones still seem to be there. But I know that many like this kind of cymbal sound... John Riley's playing is delicate and fluid, enjoyable to listen to Комментарий от : @seppoinnanen5577 |
 | Too much gloss on the new ones. They really gotta stop putting that shiny lacquer on the cymbals, they gotta reinvent the [fake] patina Комментарий от : @bobbyboygaming2157 |
| Paul Francis started liftin'. flexin' those biceps Комментарий от : @bobbyboygaming2157 |
 | the hammering pattern on the new ones actually looks pretty much like that on zht line.. that's a little disturbing if you ask me Комментарий от : @dmitryshkolnik5233 |
 | Not really feeling any of them Комментарий от : @gulinotm |
 | Hot take but if you want that Vintage sound then just buy hand hammered cymbals. There are so many great brands these days - cymbal & gong, murat diril, istanbul etc. I love Zildjian and almost exclusively use them but I really don't "get" this particular line. Комментарий от : @julianboyd8719 |
 | Your shop is on my bucket list and on my wife's No Fly Zone. Комментарий от : @Cavie1974 |
 | nicely done! Комментарий от : @JulianFernandez |
 | The modern Avedis cymbals sound better to me — more definition. Комментарий от : @cszetela1 |
 | The sweet ride sounds better.id love for zyldjian to get the medium A ride to sound like it used to. The old A medium and ping rides sounded much better than the ones being made in the last 25 years. Комментарий от : @rogerwelsh2335 |
| They sound good, but not at all like the old. The old ones were much brighter. Not saying that makes the old cymbals better. They are just different Комментарий от : @rogerwelsh2335 |
 | The "modern" ones have too much wash - I prefer the dryer sound of the actual vintage ones Комментарий от : @ZOB4 |
 | Im 43 and was giving a 20" A zildjian owned by my step dad when I was about 12 years old, before I though about playing drums....I did eventually start playing and thank god I saved the cymbal....I assume it is a cymbal from the 60's but it may be from the mid 70's...I have yet to find out...I love it and it has served me well in all situations. Комментарий от : @omarsaleem3076 |
 | Both sound great and have their own identity. Комментарий от : @davidlatimer3091 |
 | Make a 24 a Avedis ride already Комментарий от : @virtualcircle |
 | The cymbals sizes? 14, 18, 20, 22? Комментарий от : @antkn33 |
| Interesting! Комментарий от : @antkn33 |
 | The 'vintage' cymbals win it hands down over the 'new' Avedis cymbals in my opinion. In my 66 years as a drummer I have played with a 13 cymbal quiver on my 7piece set. I have always taken at least a year to audition different cymbals before purchasing. Except for a 22" non-riveted 'swish', nearly all my cymbals were manufactured in the 40's - 60's. Комментарий от : @jimsozrics |
 | Wait! He was called "Al-vi-DUSS?" When I was 17 years old, and buying my first drum kit and cymbal collection, the salesman always mentioned "UhVEEDIIS Zildjian. When it comes to dealing with dumb american accents and what is currently going on in parts of Turkey...... No surprise. Happy Holidays, Happy Festivus, ALL OF the HOLIDAY SPIRIT! Then let's call it another year! Комментарий от : @bandfromtheband9445 |
 | they really sound fantastic! Love my 50s tho Комментарий от : @thenel2162 |
 | They all sound different. Not necessarily better or worse. Комментарий от : @NelsonMontana1234 |
 | I still have a 22" ride I bought in 1966. Комментарий от : @Andrew3154 |
 | Memphis Drum Shop: "Does Zildjian offer a box set or pack of the Avedis line?? I was also wondering if they ever plan to make smaller cymbals just like the days of the big band era such as 10"-15" plates? Thank -you." Комментарий от : @gregpeller1499 |
 | It was better than...think about '60/70 Avedis hats or '70/80 Ping ride... Комментарий от : @robsco1249 |
 | VERY TASTEFUL DRUMMING THERE AT THE END. Nice Комментарий от : @mellowtron214 |
 | Sounds like Zildjian is trying to get a little bit of that vintage crowd like what Paiste did with their 602 modern essentials line. Комментарий от : @nanceeleana |
 | One of the things that I really like about the older cymbals over the newer cymbals is the complexity, or even those undesired (under or) overtones. Learning how to control those and play them individually are what helped develop my technique, my touch and helped me to share my love of the instrument with other students. That the uniformity of modern cymbals really robs us of those opportunities is bittersweet. Комментарий от : @MalikEmmanuel |
 | It’s not aye-vee-dis?? 🤦🏾 Комментарий от : @jambajoby32 |
 | This is exciting- I have yet to find something close to the 20" med, 18" crash ride and med 14" HH Zildjians that came with my 67 Super Classics- they have matured and I get offers to sell them every time they are out- especially the Hats- nothing out there sounds as good for brush work on a recording session.- this new line might tap into the obvious market out there. Комментарий от : @wyndymequine9206 |
 | I’d say I like modern hats and rides but the average vintage crash is so nice with the bells and everything Комментарий от : @spartandrew8672 |
 | All I want is three of each size. Is that too much to ask? Lol Комментарий от : @bradydastrup1025 |
 | Can’t wait to see the K cons one Комментарий от : @adamwilson1691 |
 | FANTASTIC! Thank you soo much for that... Комментарий от : @KardSore |
 | Defiantly the vintage cymbals hands down! Комментарий от : @adrianlyord5300 |
 | John's playing is pure <3 Комментарий от : @andycrystal |
 | great video and I love John, but they’re like totally different cymbals. doesn’t capture the essence of the classics at all imo Комментарий от : @wiisportss |
 | heard some of these in person, and man do they sound amazing Комментарий от : @demonicsweaters |
 | Hey Paul! And Riley! - Paul when are you guys going to make a mini cup 22 or 24 Avedis like the old days! I would consider selling my right arm to buy it- and then happily play it left handed! Riley- Your stick mallets are magic- and Memphis-keep up the high standards- can you open a California branch? Please.... Комментарий от : @xylosforkids5357 |
 | They looks amazing but the old ones have more personality. Maybe the dirty over the decades. Комментарий от : @douglasdrummer |
 | I have a 20”, 18” & 16” Zildjian A from when I first started playing in the early 60’s. What were these early cymbals made of as compared to the b20 bronze of today? Комментарий от : @scotttaylor7211 |
 | I have a 50's Zildjian, drilled for 6 rivets when it was made, there is much more bow to the cymbal than modern cymbals, and I think the metal composition is different than for modern cymbals - I'm no metallurgist, but my older cymbals tarnish much more readily than the newer ones, I think because there was more silver used in them years ago - and the cymbal has a different sound than a modern cymbal, not necessarily better (that's a matter of taste). When silver went from $10.00 an ounce to $60.00 an ounce about 40 years ago, I recall there was some caterwauling about it from the Zildjian folks. But the Avedis cymbals sound great, to me. Комментарий от : @franktatom1837 |
 | From the first moment I played them in a drum shop in Portland, I’ve been crazy about these cymbals. I have all but the 16” Hats and 22” Ride. Комментарий от : @wilkinsnl |
 | For over 30 years of my life, having been aware of Zildjian, I've been pronouncing it, "a-VEE-dis" this whole time. I'm stunned. lol Комментарий от : @autodidacticprofessor869 |
 | The vintage ones sounds so much better :o Комментарий от : @joachimekermann8267 |
 | What a coincidence! I just bought a bunch more As tonight! Great cymbals, great video Комментарий от : @papapoodo6685 |
 | I just actually found a literally like new Avedis 18” crash for only $150.00 that is thin and opens up immediately and has a beautiful shimmer well like the ones in this video. I haven’t gotten to use it on a gig yet and I can’t wait! Комментарий от : @Monsterdrumma |
 | Those vintage hi-hats are gorgeous Комментарий от : @nickhaldin8674 |
 | They all sound great ! now all you need is a vintage Gretsch Set ! Комментарий от : @ilovegongsmygongsongs2094 |
 | Cymbalholics are trying to figure out if it’s a transtamp, hollow block or large stamp, or small stamp from the 50s. Комментарий от : @kenrubio1200 |
 | The old ones beats the new one. There’s something with the overtones I think that the new not have unfortunately. Комментарий от : @westerlu77 |
 | MEMPHIS DRUM SHOP!!! You guys are consistently giving us the BEST content. THANK YOU! Other drum shops are closing left and right, but its clear you guys will stand the test of time! Can't wait for part 2! Комментарий от : @felixstaffano6538 |
 | I’m a meinl guy and have a huge hoarding collection of meinls but the one non meinl I have is the cymbal on the right side, mine is a 21 inch Avedis ride which is basically a crash ride yet has a great bell still. Super thin and crashy with a great bell but they sound different than anything else on the market. I love my meinl rides but this avedis is one of my favorites. I play in a progressive metal/djenty band and this cymbal works for that as well as other styles Комментарий от : @andyham6094 |
 | So, after 47 years of using their products, I find out the accent in Avedis is on the "Ah" ? I've been saying a-VEE-dis my entire life... Комментарий от : @goatatl |
 | John's playing makes me so happy. So many dynamics Комментарий от : @ancientskies8408 |
 | I’ve been saying “a-veee-dis” for 20 years.. Oops lol Комментарий от : @TimTkachyk |
| "Thank- you so much for this super informative video MDS!" Комментарий от : @gregpeller1499 |
